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JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
07-15-2008, 08:41 AM
I'm still scratching my head! Sirius reported this morning Kevin Jones's agent reported he will sign today with the Bears or Steelers. Why?
Possible reasons:
1. The Parker trade rumors have some truth? I can't believe that! One scenario I do believe is that Parker is truely only 80% and the Steelers might put him on the PUP to start the season. Reports said he looked good but wasn't cutting full speed yet.

2. Not happy with Russell? Again, I can't believe that! I saw the kid in college and have a good idea of the player he could be...As long as he stays focused. Reports say he looks like he is back to form and is playing more like the high draft pick he "Could have been". I can't see them giving up on raw young talent at RB in this salary cap system.

3. Not happy with Moore? There is no way the would cut him even if they weren't happy with him. Reports say he looks like a steal in FA...Don't think this is it!

4. Offensive evolution? Signing Jones would put 6 keepers on the roster. If Parker, Mendenhall, Moore, Jones, Russell, and Davis are the six...Do they carry six? Or is this the Arian's Evolution we heard about but never believed would happen. Meaning...The Steelers don't have a pure FB on the roster. It isn't anything new...There are some NFL teams that do this. More H-Back or 2 TE sets with a single back versus the traditional FB. It is not like the Steelers couldn't get a FB on the market if it failed. I personally don't see a complete 180 in the Steelers Offense in one year. But the Steelers do have some capable HB who could block and Jones is a load too. Maybe a theory...

In summary, "<crickets,crickets,crickets>"

That about sums it up!!!

stlrz d
07-15-2008, 08:42 AM
#2 would be the reason.

Flasteel
07-15-2008, 08:53 AM
This is retarded at best. I'd really have to question what's going on in the FO to chase down a back at this point when we've all but ignored the trenches. I get that there aren't exactly a lot of linemen to go after and it was a weak free agent crop in that area but holy crap man.

Oviedo
07-15-2008, 08:58 AM
Hope is is going to the Bears who are desperate for RBs. I see no value him coming to the Steelers. I don't think he has made it through a season healthy the last two years.

Jom112
07-15-2008, 10:18 AM
Hope is is going to the Bears who are desperate for RBs. I see no value him coming to the Steelers. I don't think he has made it through a season healthy the last two years.

I wouldn't necessarily say the Bears are desperate. Matt Forte I think will surprise a lot of people this season, if the Bears aging linemen can stay healthy this season Forte should be a 1,000 yard back.

Behind Forte Adrian Peterson(No not that one), is a solid #2. He can catch passes out of the backfield and the Bears coaching staff do like him a lot.

Then there's Garrett Wolfe who is similar to DeDe Dorsey for us. A smaller quicker change of pace back. Although Wolfe hasn't impressed the coaches much.

If Kevin Jones ends up on either team, he should be the #4 RB and at best he'll be the #3 RB...

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
07-15-2008, 10:19 AM
I hope he signs with the Bears too. Maybe his agent is trying to drive Jones's price up by reporting teams are interested. There are other teams who would have been more believable than the Steelers though...It puzzles me!

Shawn
07-15-2008, 10:25 AM
The question...could Davis be the odd man out? How much improved would
the Steelers be with a FB that can actually run the ball...like Russell. Russell
is actually a very good blocker. Maybe the Steelers seen something.

Also, I don't see anyway the Steelers sign Jones. Why? Because Jones won't
want to come to a crowded backfield. It would be a poor decision by him. He
will sign with the Bears.

All reports I have heard...say Russell looks bigger, faster and stronger. If they
didn't like what they seen...why cut Davenport? Why not cut Russell?

Oviedo
07-15-2008, 10:33 AM
The question...could Davis be the odd man out? How much improved would
the Steelers be with a FB that can actually run the ball...like Russell. Russell
is actually a very good blocker. Maybe the Steelers seen something.

Also, I don't see anyway the Steelers sign Jones. Why? Because Jones won't
want to come to a crowded backfield. It would be a poor decision by him. He
will sign with the Bears.

All reports I have heard...say Russell looks bigger, faster and stronger. If they
didn't like what they seen...why cut Davenport? Why not cut Russell?

I have to say that I agree. I've heard nothing negative about Russell in the year plus he has been on the team. Everything you read is positive. Just can't see him as the odd man out or worrisome enough for the team to think they need another RB.

Shawn
07-15-2008, 10:47 AM
That's what I don't get O. I mean everything and I mean everything I have
read about Russell is positive. Davis is a chump...it makes me wonder if they
might try to convert Russell into a FB to get him on the field. Could you imagine
Russell and Mendenhall in the same backfield. :shock:

RussBII
07-15-2008, 10:56 AM
Maybe they are just gearing up for a season in which our RBs get knocked the f' out a lot due to poor blocking? If they want to protect Ben from getting killed, they'll need to run the ball a _lot_. They might go through a bunch of RBs this way...

I don't really think that, but with the seemingly neglected OL, this is semi-valid theory.

Personally, I hope the few changes to the OL (Marvel's back, Hartwig, Kemo, etc) prove to be enough to get us over the hump. If we can run the ball well, it'll help the passing game a ton.

Oviedo
07-15-2008, 11:39 AM
That's what I don't get O. I mean everything and I mean everything I have
read about Russell is positive. Davis is a chump...it makes me wonder if they
might try to convert Russell into a FB to get him on the field. Could you imagine
Russell and Mendenhall in the same backfield. :shock:

Agree it would be just too wierd to bring Jones in. :?

I would love to see Mendenhall and Russell in the backfield to beat down defenses particularly late in games where we are trying to run out the clock. Both a powerful runners who would create real problems. Add a little FWP to break a big one and that would be awesome.

What I like is that I hear that both Mendenhall and Russell are also good blockers and pass catchers. They would be a formidable package.

SteelerOfDeVille
07-15-2008, 11:55 AM
corner the market on RBs and trade one to a team with an excess of O-linemen.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
07-15-2008, 12:15 PM
The question...could Davis be the odd man out? How much improved would
the Steelers be with a FB that can actually run the ball...like Russell. Russell
is actually a very good blocker. Maybe the Steelers seen something.

Also, I don't see anyway the Steelers sign Jones. Why? Because Jones won't
want to come to a crowded backfield. It would be a poor decision by him. He
will sign with the Bears.

All reports I have heard...say Russell looks bigger, faster and stronger. If they
didn't like what they seen...why cut Davenport? Why not cut Russell?

You are inside my head again!

Shawn
07-15-2008, 01:01 PM
The question...could Davis be the odd man out? How much improved would
the Steelers be with a FB that can actually run the ball...like Russell. Russell
is actually a very good blocker. Maybe the Steelers seen something.

Also, I don't see anyway the Steelers sign Jones. Why? Because Jones won't
want to come to a crowded backfield. It would be a poor decision by him. He
will sign with the Bears.

All reports I have heard...say Russell looks bigger, faster and stronger. If they
didn't like what they seen...why cut Davenport? Why not cut Russell?

You are inside my head again!

I admit it might be a stretch but think about it a bit with me. Last season the Steelers cut the fan favorite Krieder. This guy is a work horse and one of the better FB blockers in the league. They did so to make the O more diverse. They wanted more of a running/receiving presence from their FB. So, they keep Davis. What did he do? Squat...and I mean squat. The guy sucks. I'm not sure why people believe his job is safe. Why? Just because he is the only FB? Don't let that fool ya. I could see Ariens cutting all typical FB types and keeping 5 pure RBs. And I could certainly see them wanting to get Russell on the field. What many people don't know is that Russell is a tenacious blocker...he finishes...he puts a helmet on people. Many people also fail to realize Russell has VERY soft hands. The guy can catch. The only thing he lacks is typical FB size. But, he isn't small at 225. I won't be a bit surprised if Russell gets a serious look at FB this season.

Oviedo
07-15-2008, 01:10 PM
The question...could Davis be the odd man out? How much improved would
the Steelers be with a FB that can actually run the ball...like Russell. Russell
is actually a very good blocker. Maybe the Steelers seen something.

Also, I don't see anyway the Steelers sign Jones. Why? Because Jones won't
want to come to a crowded backfield. It would be a poor decision by him. He
will sign with the Bears.

All reports I have heard...say Russell looks bigger, faster and stronger. If they
didn't like what they seen...why cut Davenport? Why not cut Russell?

You are inside my head again!

I admit it might be a stretch but think about it a bit with me. Last season the Steelers cut the fan favorite Krieder. This guy is a work horse and one of the better FB blockers in the league. They did so to make the O more diverse. They wanted more of a running/receiving presence from their FB. So, they keep Davis. What did he do? Squat...and I mean squat. The guy sucks. I'm not sure why people believe his job is safe. Why? Just because he is the only FB? Don't let that fool ya. I could see Ariens cutting all typical FB types and keeping 5 pure RBs. And I could certainly see them wanting to get Russell on the field. What many people don't know is that Russell is a tenacious blocker...he finishes...he puts a helmet on people. Many people also fail to realize Russell has VERY soft hands. The guy can catch. The only thing he lacks is typical FB size. But, he isn't small at 225. I won't be a bit surprised if Russell gets a serious look at FB this season.

I think there is some out of the box thinking and the team is getting away from one dimensional players. We all saw that last season with the evaluation of players on the OL being able to play multiple positions. I can see Russell in the backfield as a blocker, but if all you want is a big lead blocker I could also bee Spaeth or MIller shifting to a backfield position. I think occurred several time a game last season.

Shawn
07-15-2008, 01:13 PM
Now thats some out of the box thinking...Spaeth in the backfield.

That could be interesting.

Jom112
07-15-2008, 01:23 PM
I think there is some out of the box thinking and the team is getting away from one dimensional players. We all saw that last season with the evaluation of players on the OL being able to play multiple positions. I can see Russell in the backfield as a blocker, but if all you want is a big lead blocker I could also bee Spaeth or MIller shifting to a backfield position. I think occurred several time a game last season.

Very good point. We are trying to do the same thing by moving our backup TE Daniel Coats to the FB position to try and replace Fat Jeremi Johnson. It brings more versatility to the offense plus Coats is a solid ST player, so it benfits the team in more ways than one.

If Spaeth can successfully transition to a FB, it would help your team immensely...

Oviedo
07-15-2008, 03:05 PM
Jones signed with the Bears as some knowledgeable fans stated he would :D

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3488746

RuthlessBurgher
07-15-2008, 03:10 PM
Now thats some out of the box thinking...Spaeth in the backfield.

That could be interesting.

We do realize that Spaeth is 6'7", right? It is kind of hard for this "fullback" to get his pads low enough to blow up an ILB in the hole when he's taller than Michael Jordan.

RuthlessBurgher
07-15-2008, 03:12 PM
Jones signed with the Bears as some knowledgeable fans stated he would :D

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3488746

Maybe the Lions sign Ced Benson now, so that division rivals could officially swap their 1st round RB disappointments.

BigBen2112
07-15-2008, 03:43 PM
There goes the Willie Parker to Chicago rumors...they have kevin jones. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oviedo
07-15-2008, 03:45 PM
Now thats some out of the box thinking...Spaeth in the backfield.

That could be interesting.

We do realize that Spaeth is 6'7", right? It is kind of hard for this "fullback" to get his pads low enough to blow up an ILB in the hole when he's taller than Michael Jordan.

As a TE he mostly blocks LBs now on running plays. May not get under the pads, but can engulf the LB at 6'7" and 270lbs.

RuthlessBurgher
07-15-2008, 05:54 PM
Now thats some out of the box thinking...Spaeth in the backfield.

That could be interesting.

We do realize that Spaeth is 6'7", right? It is kind of hard for this "fullback" to get his pads low enough to blow up an ILB in the hole when he's taller than Michael Jordan.

As a TE he mostly blocks LBs now on running plays. May not get under the pads, but can engulf the LB at 6'7" and 270lbs.

But there is a huge difference between blocking to seal off the edge as a TE and blasting through the hole like a runaway freight train as a FB.

stlrz d
07-15-2008, 06:36 PM
Give me a 5' 11" 245lb FB over a 6' 7" 270lb FB any day.

AngryAsian
07-15-2008, 07:29 PM
Give me a 5' 11" 245lb FB over a 6' 7" 270lb FB any day.


I have to agree with ya on this one..... Mike Allstott. One of the Beastiest and probably the most complete FB ever. Could catch, blast a hole through the line or line up as a single set back. I don't think the Spaeth thing would be plausible. No low center of gravity... no leverage... no dice.

Shawn
07-15-2008, 08:13 PM
Jones signed with the Bears as some knowledgeable fans stated he would :D

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3488746

Like that handsome kat SMG and the big O? :mrgreen:

Shawn
07-15-2008, 08:17 PM
Now thats some out of the box thinking...Spaeth in the backfield.

That could be interesting.

We do realize that Spaeth is 6'7", right? It is kind of hard for this "fullback" to get his pads low enough to blow up an ILB in the hole when he's taller than Michael Jordan.

I said interesting. Interesting means it might be worth a look.

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
07-16-2008, 08:36 AM
The question...could Davis be the odd man out? How much improved would
the Steelers be with a FB that can actually run the ball...like Russell. Russell
is actually a very good blocker. Maybe the Steelers seen something.

Also, I don't see anyway the Steelers sign Jones. Why? Because Jones won't
want to come to a crowded backfield. It would be a poor decision by him. He
will sign with the Bears.

All reports I have heard...say Russell looks bigger, faster and stronger. If they
didn't like what they seen...why cut Davenport? Why not cut Russell?

You are inside my head again!

I admit it might be a stretch but think about it a bit with me. Last season the Steelers cut the fan favorite Krieder. This guy is a work horse and one of the better FB blockers in the league. They did so to make the O more diverse. They wanted more of a running/receiving presence from their FB. So, they keep Davis. What did he do? Squat...and I mean squat. The guy sucks. I'm not sure why people believe his job is safe. Why? Just because he is the only FB? Don't let that fool ya. I could see Ariens cutting all typical FB types and keeping 5 pure RBs. And I could certainly see them wanting to get Russell on the field. What many people don't know is that Russell is a tenacious blocker...he finishes...he puts a helmet on people. Many people also fail to realize Russell has VERY soft hands. The guy can catch. The only thing he lacks is typical FB size. But, he isn't small at 225. I won't be a bit surprised if Russell gets a serious look at FB this season.

When I said "You are inside my head again!"...I meant you are typing what I am thinking! :Bow
I agree with you...That is what I was getting at in possible reason #4. I'm not a Davis fan. His blocking skills are average and it wouldn't take much for a better runner/receiver to lead block as well as him. I believe the Steelers could accomplish MORE with a single back and the combo of 2 TEs or 3 WRs. Even utilizing Mendenhall, Moore, Russell as ala "Bush" and moving them around while Parker lines up as the single back. I think the talent pool on this team is causing the team to evolve...Which is good. Design the offense to the players not make the players fit the design. You and I give Russell much luv and I want to see him on the field. The one article that said "Russell has shown the willingness to learn" means the door is open to the FB theory in my opinion. The guy looks like he is willing to do what they ask of him to get on the field. I think Spaeth or Miller also could be utilized in 2 TE sets with one as the H-Back. The H-Back scheme is very potent if you utilize the TE in passing because it gets the S out of position in coverage. Most teams walk the S down to follow the H-Back so they don't have to move an ILB out of "The Hole" and weaken the inside. I'm all for doing away with the pure FB. If we need a goaline/short yardage FB...Line up Keisel at FB!

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
07-16-2008, 08:37 AM
Jones signed with the Bears as some knowledgeable fans stated he would :D

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3488746

Like that handsome kat SMG and the big O? :mrgreen:

No Luv For Nasty!!! :wink: :wink: :wink:

Jom112
07-16-2008, 09:20 AM
Now thats some out of the box thinking...Spaeth in the backfield.

That could be interesting.

We do realize that Spaeth is 6'7", right? It is kind of hard for this "fullback" to get his pads low enough to blow up an ILB in the hole when he's taller than Michael Jordan.

Didn't realize Spaeth was that tall. A couple of inches shorter and maybe it would have worked out. There have been some taller (relatively) FB's that have been solid. Darryl "Moose" Johnston was 6'2 and the best FB in the draft this season Owen Schmitt is also 6'2.

6'7 is a little too tall but you don't have to be under 6'0 to be a good FB. Luckily for us Daniel Coats is 6'3, so he's got a shot at transitioning to a successful FB...

Shawn
07-16-2008, 09:27 AM
Jones signed with the Bears as some knowledgeable fans stated he would :D

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3488746

Like that handsome kat SMG and the big O? :mrgreen:

No Luv For Nasty!!! :wink: :wink: :wink:

Much luv for the JLP. :)

And I knew you were agreeing with me. I just used your statement as an opportunity to get up on my soapbox and preach some SMG football theory. :lol: