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LasVegasGuy
07-09-2008, 02:35 PM
does he make a bid for Cowher in 2009? I think Tomlin has his hands full this year and there is a very good possibility that the Steelers could finish below .500 which will probably not sit well with a new owner.

If Druckenmiller is a die hard fan I wonder how he felt when Cowher left? At the time he had to grin and bear it like any other Steeler fan. As an owner he can now call the shots and he has the cash on hand (probably more then any other owner in the league) to bring Cowher back to the burgh.

I can go either way on this topic since I liked the younger Cowher but grew to dislike the older Cowher. Could be a very interesting 2009 for the Steelers.

Buh-Bye
07-09-2008, 02:38 PM
Why do you think they possibly will finish below .500?

LasVegasGuy
07-09-2008, 03:05 PM
Why do you think they possibly will finish below .500?


Take a look at last year. We beat teams like the Bills, Browns, 49ers, Bengals, Ravens, Seachickens, Rams, Dolphins and lost to the better teams (if you call the Jets and Cardinals better teams :roll: ). On the surface we play some pretty good teams this year and the cake walk from last year is over.

Oviedo
07-09-2008, 03:17 PM
More likely the Steelers change their colors from Black and Gold than Tomlin not coming back. Just another anti-Tomlin thread.

RuthlessBurgher
07-09-2008, 03:41 PM
Tomlin's safe...but if I were a billionaire owner, I don't think I would hesitate to want to show Zierlein and Ligashesky the door.

Buh-Bye
07-09-2008, 03:49 PM
Why do you think they possibly will finish below .500?


Take a look at last year. We beat teams like the Bills, Browns, 49ers, Bengals, Ravens, Seachickens, Rams, Dolphins and lost to the better teams (if you call the Jets and Cardinals better teams :roll: ). On the surface we play some pretty good teams this year and the cake walk from last year is over.

Yes, but if you look at some of the teams you listed above, some are expected to make the playoffs this year, like the Bills. Here is the deal, no football game is a gimme and no schedule can be decided before the games and the season ends. Looking at the schedule though, I dont see it being as tough as some think. Who knows when who will have an off year?

Jigawatts
07-09-2008, 03:52 PM
Tomlin's safe...but if I were a billionaire owner, I don't think I would hesitate to want to show Zierlein and Ligashesky the door.

I would buy a small island for Ligashesky strand him there. :evil:

LasVegasGuy
07-09-2008, 04:57 PM
Why do you think they possibly will finish below .500?


Take a look at last year. We beat teams like the Bills, Browns, 49ers, Bengals, Ravens, Seachickens, Rams, Dolphins and lost to the better teams (if you call the Jets and Cardinals better teams :roll: ). On the surface we play some pretty good teams this year and the cake walk from last year is over.

Yes, but if you look at some of the teams you listed above, some are expected to make the playoffs this year, like the Bills. Here is the deal, no football game is a gimme and no schedule can be decided before the games and the season ends. Looking at the schedule though, I dont see it being as tough as some think. Who knows when who will have an off year?

That is true but most of the teams we play are competitive year in and year out and I don't expect much fall off from those teams this year. I guess we take a wait and see approach.

Buh-Bye
07-09-2008, 05:01 PM
Why do you think they possibly will finish below .500?


Take a look at last year. We beat teams like the Bills, Browns, 49ers, Bengals, Ravens, Seachickens, Rams, Dolphins and lost to the better teams (if you call the Jets and Cardinals better teams :roll: ). On the surface we play some pretty good teams this year and the cake walk from last year is over.

Yes, but if you look at some of the teams you listed above, some are expected to make the playoffs this year, like the Bills. Here is the deal, no football game is a gimme and no schedule can be decided before the games and the season ends. Looking at the schedule though, I dont see it being as tough as some think. Who knows when who will have an off year?

That is true but most of the teams we play are competitive year in and year out and I don't expect much fall off from those teams this year. I guess we take a wait and see approach.

True, hopefully it will work in our favor.

I have my reservations on certain teams on our schedule though. I dont think the Giants are all that, yeah, they won the SB, but just dont see them starting any kind of domination. Nor do I see it with Houston, Philly, Washington, or TN.

LasVegasGuy
07-09-2008, 05:05 PM
Why do you think they possibly will finish below .500?


Take a look at last year. We beat teams like the Bills, Browns, 49ers, Bengals, Ravens, Seachickens, Rams, Dolphins and lost to the better teams (if you call the Jets and Cardinals better teams :roll: ). On the surface we play some pretty good teams this year and the cake walk from last year is over.

Yes, but if you look at some of the teams you listed above, some are expected to make the playoffs this year, like the Bills. Here is the deal, no football game is a gimme and no schedule can be decided before the games and the season ends. Looking at the schedule though, I dont see it being as tough as some think. Who knows when who will have an off year?

That is true but most of the teams we play are competitive year in and year out and I don't expect much fall off from those teams this year. I guess we take a wait and see approach.

True, hopefully it will work in our favor.

I have my reservations on certain teams on our schedule though. I dont think the Giants are all that, yeah, they won the SB, but just dont see them starting any kind of domination. Nor do I see it with Houston, Philly, Washington, or TN.

We need a fast start like 4-0 to build confidence going into the later games against the Colts, Chargers, Patriots, Cowboys. If we falter early lookout it could be a very long year for Steeler Nation.

Buh-Bye
07-09-2008, 05:13 PM
We need a fast start like 4-0 to build confidence going into the later games against the Colts, Chargers, Patriots, Cowboys. If we falter early lookout it could be a very long year for Steeler Nation.

Definitely agree with that. Question for everyone, do you think Dallas is all that? Romo?

RussBII
07-09-2008, 05:26 PM
We need a fast start like 4-0 to build confidence going into the later games against the Colts, Chargers, Patriots, Cowboys. If we falter early lookout it could be a very long year for Steeler Nation.

I'm not sure I actually agree with that. The Steelers always seem to lose when they are confident. I'd almost rather they lose their first game and become an underdog the rest of the year... Well with the schedule, theyu're already an underdog for most of the year...

Shawn
07-09-2008, 05:27 PM
I was personally happy when Cowher left...it was time. He had lost the fire. I would have to assume the possible new owner seen the same thing.

Ozey74
07-09-2008, 06:23 PM
We need a fast start like 4-0 to build confidence going into the later games against the Colts, Chargers, Patriots, Cowboys. If we falter early lookout it could be a very long year for Steeler Nation.

I'm not sure I actually agree with that. The Steelers always seem to lose when they are confident. I'd almost rather they lose their first game and become an underdog the rest of the year... Well with the schedule, theyu're already an underdog for most of the year...


This is true. Ben plays better against better competition. His QB rating per game was higher than Mannings last year in games against teams that finished .500 or better.

Gosh, I'm starting to sound like MSM!! :wink:

Mr Smartmonies
07-09-2008, 07:47 PM
does he make a bid for Cowher in 2009? I think Tomlin has his hands full this year and there is a very good possibility that the Steelers could finish below .500 which will probably not sit well with a new owner.

If Druckenmiller is a die hard fan I wonder how he felt when Cowher left? At the time he had to grin and bear it like any other Steeler fan. As an owner he can now call the shots and he has the cash on hand (probably more then any other owner in the league) to bring Cowher back to the burgh.

I can go either way on this topic since I liked the younger Cowher but grew to dislike the older Cowher. Could be a very interesting 2009 for the Steelers.

Didn't Cowher's wife tell him she was heading to North Carolina and if he wanted a wife
he better come? Las vegas guy if it were up to Cowher, Ben would have never been drafted and we would be going on 30 years now without a SB. He was a fine coach ,but you need to give Tomlin a break. We went as far as we were going to go last year.
We didn't under achieve. Steelers have 3 problems. Little talent on the offensive line. No depth on the Defensive line. And over all lack of depth that has contributed to three straight years of poor special teams play. Blame Colbert. :!:

stlrz d
07-09-2008, 07:55 PM
To answer the original post: No. Tomlin will be back.

LasVegasGuy
07-09-2008, 09:40 PM
does he make a bid for Cowher in 2009? I think Tomlin has his hands full this year and there is a very good possibility that the Steelers could finish below .500 which will probably not sit well with a new owner.

If Druckenmiller is a die hard fan I wonder how he felt when Cowher left? At the time he had to grin and bear it like any other Steeler fan. As an owner he can now call the shots and he has the cash on hand (probably more then any other owner in the league) to bring Cowher back to the burgh.

I can go either way on this topic since I liked the younger Cowher but grew to dislike the older Cowher. Could be a very interesting 2009 for the Steelers.

Didn't Cowher's wife tell him she was heading to North Carolina and if he wanted a wife
he better come? Las vegas guy if it were up to Cowher, Ben would have never been drafted and we would be going on 30 years now without a SB. He was a fine coach ,but you need to give Tomlin a break. We went as far as we were going to go last year.
We didn't under achieve. Steelers have 3 problems. Little talent on the offensive line. No depth on the Defensive line. And over all lack of depth that has contributed to three straight years of poor special teams play. Blame Colbert. :!:


Who had the last say on the Roethlisberger pick? First, you slam Cowher for not wanting to draft Ben then you slam Colbert for drafting poorly. Someone pulled the trigger on Ben.

stlrz d
07-09-2008, 09:45 PM
does he make a bid for Cowher in 2009? I think Tomlin has his hands full this year and there is a very good possibility that the Steelers could finish below .500 which will probably not sit well with a new owner.

If Druckenmiller is a die hard fan I wonder how he felt when Cowher left? At the time he had to grin and bear it like any other Steeler fan. As an owner he can now call the shots and he has the cash on hand (probably more then any other owner in the league) to bring Cowher back to the burgh.

I can go either way on this topic since I liked the younger Cowher but grew to dislike the older Cowher. Could be a very interesting 2009 for the Steelers.

Didn't Cowher's wife tell him she was heading to North Carolina and if he wanted a wife
he better come? Las vegas guy if it were up to Cowher, Ben would have never been drafted and we would be going on 30 years now without a SB. He was a fine coach ,but you need to give Tomlin a break. We went as far as we were going to go last year.
We didn't under achieve. Steelers have 3 problems. Little talent on the offensive line. No depth on the Defensive line. And over all lack of depth that has contributed to three straight years of poor special teams play. Blame Colbert. :!:


Who had the last say on the Roethlisberger pick? First, you slam Cowher for not wanting to draft Ben then you slam Colbert for drafting poorly. Someone pulled the trigger on Ben.

I thought one of the Rooneys pulled the trigger on Ben.

LasVegasGuy
07-09-2008, 09:54 PM
[quote=LasVegasGuy]does he make a bid for Cowher in 2009? I think Tomlin has his hands full this year and there is a very good possibility that the Steelers could finish below .500 which will probably not sit well with a new owner.

If Druckenmiller is a die hard fan I wonder how he felt when Cowher left? At the time he had to grin and bear it like any other Steeler fan. As an owner he can now call the shots and he has the cash on hand (probably more then any other owner in the league) to bring Cowher back to the burgh.

I can go either way on this topic since I liked the younger Cowher but grew to dislike the older Cowher. Could be a very interesting 2009 for the Steelers.

Didn't Cowher's wife tell him she was heading to North Carolina and if he wanted a wife
he better come? Las vegas guy if it were up to Cowher, Ben would have never been drafted and we would be going on 30 years now without a SB. He was a fine coach ,but you need to give Tomlin a break. We went as far as we were going to go last year.
We didn't under achieve. Steelers have 3 problems. Little talent on the offensive line. No depth on the Defensive line. And over all lack of depth that has contributed to three straight years of poor special teams play. Blame Colbert. :!:


Who had the last say on the Roethlisberger pick? First, you slam Cowher for not wanting to draft Ben then you slam Colbert for drafting poorly. Someone pulled the trigger on Ben.

I thought one of the Rooneys pulled the trigger on Ben.[/quote:r4u8nzup]

Really? I never saw the Rooneys as being the type of owners to override the Coach and General Manager. That is almost Jerry Jones like. If it's true kudos to them.

Mr Smartmonies
07-09-2008, 09:57 PM
[quote=LasVegasGuy]does he make a bid for Cowher in 2009? I think Tomlin has his hands full this year and there is a very good possibility that the Steelers could finish below .500 which will probably not sit well with a new owner.

If Druckenmiller is a die hard fan I wonder how he felt when Cowher left? At the time he had to grin and bear it like any other Steeler fan. As an owner he can now call the shots and he has the cash on hand (probably more then any other owner in the league) to bring Cowher back to the burgh.

I can go either way on this topic since I liked the younger Cowher but grew to dislike the older Cowher. Could be a very interesting 2009 for the Steelers.

Didn't Cowher's wife tell him she was heading to North Carolina and if he wanted a wife
he better come? Las vegas guy if it were up to Cowher, Ben would have never been drafted and we would be going on 30 years now without a SB. He was a fine coach ,but you need to give Tomlin a break. We went as far as we were going to go last year.
We didn't under achieve. Steelers have 3 problems. Little talent on the offensive line. No depth on the Defensive line. And over all lack of depth that has contributed to three straight years of poor special teams play. Blame Colbert. :!:


Who had the last say on the Roethlisberger pick? First, you slam Cowher for not wanting to draft Ben then you slam Colbert for drafting poorly. Someone pulled the trigger on Ben.

I thought one of the Rooneys pulled the trigger on Ben.

Really? I never saw the Rooneys as being the type of owners to override the Coach and General Manager. That is almost Jerry Jones like. If it's true kudos to them.[/quote:2t98zaur]

Yes , its true Las Vegas guy. In fact you can read it from Rooney's mouth in his
own words. Colbers and Cowher and the scouts had all settled on a Left Tackle from Arkansas, and Rooney said he went in their and told them to take Ben becuase he said he would never pass up a bigtime QB again like he did with Marino. He said it was his biggest Blunder in all of his years with Personel.

Mick'sTeam
07-09-2008, 10:45 PM
I was personally happy when Cowher left...it was time. He had lost the fire. I would have to assume the possible new owner seen the same thing.


I agree SMG. If this deal takes place, I wouldn't expect any changes that would be outside of the "Rooney way". Based on this excerpt from the Post-Gazette, he would allow the Rooney family to continue in their current role (granted, the source of the information is a friend of Druckenmiller):

Mr. Druckenmiller declined comment yesterday. However, his friend told the Post-Gazette that it has been Mr. Druckenmiller's "lifelong dream" to own the Steelers and that he has no intention of relocating the team or disrupting the management of the franchise. According to the friend, Mr. Druckenmiller said that Dan Rooney can run the team "as long as he wants."

frankthetank1
07-10-2008, 08:15 AM
Why do you think they possibly will finish below .500?


Take a look at last year. We beat teams like the Bills, Browns, 49ers, Bengals, Ravens, Seachickens, Rams, Dolphins and lost to the better teams (if you call the Jets and Cardinals better teams :roll: ). On the surface we play some pretty good teams this year and the cake walk from last year is over.

Yes, but if you look at some of the teams you listed above, some are expected to make the playoffs this year, like the Bills. Here is the deal, no football game is a gimme and no schedule can be decided before the games and the season ends. Looking at the schedule though, I dont see it being as tough as some think. Who knows when who will have an off year?

That is true but most of the teams we play are competitive year in and year out and I don't expect much fall off from those teams this year. I guess we take a wait and see approach.

True, hopefully it will work in our favor.

I have my reservations on certain teams on our schedule though. I dont think the Giants are all that, yeah, they won the SB, but just dont see them starting any kind of domination. Nor do I see it with Houston, Philly, Washington, or TN.

exactly right. the giants will be lucky to be .500 next season. every year that they finish the season really well, the next season they stink. they were only an average team to begain with and the only reason they got to and won the sb is because their defensive pressure protected the biggest weakness on their team which was the secondary. those other teams you list wont be that great either, except for houston.

RuthlessBurgher
07-10-2008, 10:43 AM
Yes , its true Las Vegas guy. In fact you can read it from Rooney's mouth in his
own words. Colbers and Cowher and the scouts had all settled on a Left Tackle from Arkansas, and Rooney said he went in their and told them to take Ben becuase he said he would never pass up a bigtime QB again like he did with Marino. He said it was his biggest Blunder in all of his years with Personel.

Taking Shawn Andrews when Roethlisberger miraculously fell into their laps would be have been big blunder #2. That is exhibit A for why you take the best player available rather than reaching for a perceived need.

birtikidis
07-10-2008, 04:35 PM
Rooney also said in that book that they thought they had no chance at Ben that's why they were looking at Andrews. they thought all three qb's would be gone, he then went on to say, after Ben started falling that they had to consider talking about him and that it was almost unanimous that if Ben fell that they would take him.

RuthlessBurgher
07-10-2008, 05:33 PM
Rooney also said in that book that they thought they had no chance at Ben that's why they were looking at Andrews. they thought all three qb's would be gone, he then went on to say, after Ben started falling that they had to consider talking about him and that it was almost unanimous that if Ben fell that they would take him.

Pretty much like Mendenhall this year. Nobody expected him to fall past, say #15, but when he did, spontaneous applause erupted in the war room, because they were able to get a guy that they figured they had no realistic shot at getting.

Ozey74
07-10-2008, 07:10 PM
Rooney also said in that book that they thought they had no chance at Ben that's why they were looking at Andrews. they thought all three qb's would be gone, he then went on to say, after Ben started falling that they had to consider talking about him and that it was almost unanimous that if Ben fell that they would take him.

Pretty much like Mendenhall this year. Nobody expected him to fall past, say #15, but when he did, spontaneous applause erupted in the war room, because they were able to get a guy that they figured they had no realistic shot at getting.


I think the same situation presented itself in round 2.

RuthlessBurgher
07-10-2008, 09:28 PM
Rooney also said in that book that they thought they had no chance at Ben that's why they were looking at Andrews. they thought all three qb's would be gone, he then went on to say, after Ben started falling that they had to consider talking about him and that it was almost unanimous that if Ben fell that they would take him.

Pretty much like Mendenhall this year. Nobody expected him to fall past, say #15, but when he did, spontaneous applause erupted in the war room, because they were able to get a guy that they figured they had no realistic shot at getting.


I think the same situation presented itself in round 2.

Yup yup. My wife thought I was nuts when she came home and I was chanting "Sweed...Sweed!...SWEED!!!" at the TV when we were on the clock in round 2. She wasn't home for my earlier "MEN-DEN-HALL" chant one round earlier.

Ozey74
07-10-2008, 09:35 PM
Rooney also said in that book that they thought they had no chance at Ben that's why they were looking at Andrews. they thought all three qb's would be gone, he then went on to say, after Ben started falling that they had to consider talking about him and that it was almost unanimous that if Ben fell that they would take him.

Pretty much like Mendenhall this year. Nobody expected him to fall past, say #15, but when he did, spontaneous applause erupted in the war room, because they were able to get a guy that they figured they had no realistic shot at getting.


I think the same situation presented itself in round 2.

Yup yup. My wife thought I was nuts when she came home and I was chanting "Sweed...Sweed!...SWEED!!!" at the TV when we were on the clock in round 2. She wasn't home for my earlier "MEN-DEN-HALL" chant one round earlier.


Nice. My wife has no clue what the words Mendenhall & Sweed mean. Maybe she will some day. She doesn't know who Hines Ward is until I say the Steeler that smiles all the time.

stlrz d
07-10-2008, 09:43 PM
Rooney also said in that book that they thought they had no chance at Ben that's why they were looking at Andrews. they thought all three qb's would be gone, he then went on to say, after Ben started falling that they had to consider talking about him and that it was almost unanimous that if Ben fell that they would take him.

Pretty much like Mendenhall this year. Nobody expected him to fall past, say #15, but when he did, spontaneous applause erupted in the war room, because they were able to get a guy that they figured they had no realistic shot at getting.


I think the same situation presented itself in round 2.

Yup yup. My wife thought I was nuts when she came home and I was chanting "Sweed...Sweed!...SWEED!!!" at the TV when we were on the clock in round 2. She wasn't home for my earlier "MEN-DEN-HALL" chant one round earlier.

Unfortunately, every time I hear Mendenhall's name (especially if chanted like that) it makes me think of this guy: It's go time! (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4587708005578224523&q=seinfeld+mandelbaum&ei=VLl2SP20G5LQ4gK5nu2RCw&hl=en)

I couldn't find a short enough video of them chanting his name...but it exists!

BIG FAN
07-10-2008, 11:47 PM
Rooney also said in that book that they thought they had no chance at Ben that's why they were looking at Andrews. they thought all three qb's would be gone, he then went on to say, after Ben started falling that they had to consider talking about him and that it was almost unanimous that if Ben fell that they would take him.

Pretty much like Mendenhall this year. Nobody expected him to fall past, say #15, but when he did, spontaneous applause erupted in the war room, because they were able to get a guy that they figured they had no realistic shot at getting.


I think the same situation presented itself in round 2.

Yup yup. My wife thought I was nuts when she came home and I was chanting "Sweed...Sweed!...SWEED!!!" at the TV when we were on the clock in round 2. She wasn't home for my earlier "MEN-DEN-HALL" chant one round earlier.


Nice. My wife has no clue what the words Mendenhall & Sweed mean. Maybe she will some day. She doesn't know who Hines Ward is until I say the Steeler that smiles all the time.

My wife asked if they could protect Ben. :oops:
She has warmed to the picks since then. But I know as I live and breath, the first time he gets clobbered by about four guys she will give me the classic I told you so.