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Shawn
06-11-2008, 11:38 AM
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_571850.html

I have liked the pick from the beginning. Can he take those obvious gifts to the next level?

06-11-2008, 11:59 AM
You and me both shawn. Dixon isnt anything like a Vince Young. This kid can actually throw the football. There will be a lot of suprized Steelers fans when they see this kid play.

:stirpot

MeetJoeGreene
06-11-2008, 12:04 PM
Ok. Is he going to be groomed to be purely a backup QB? If so, that is a good thing. Getting a quality backup QB is good, but I don't know that I would qualify that, by itself, as a steal.

Is he going to be a Slash or ARE type player as well?? NOw we could be getting closer to a steal.

Will he be turned around as trade bait in a year or 2? If so, what would we get for him? Probably a third round, tops. So, that would be a good thing, but is that a "steal".

Don't get me wrong -- it probably was a decent, value pick. But he probably won't be content to play 2nd string QB forever, so he is probably gone after the first contract -- unless we get some trade value.

SteelHoss
06-11-2008, 12:32 PM
When Dixon first visited the FO I really did'nt believe that he would be drafted by the Steelers. My thinking was right along with everyone else in that...he's a very good athlete, a playmaker. He might make a good slash if the Steelers picked him. Now according to the FO he's going to be a QB all the way. I'm alright with that. He adds much value for a #5 pick. If he develops into the real deal we could be looking at some future high draft picks or at the very least some good insurance should God forbid Ben go down.
I believe the Steelers picked up some momentum with this draft. All indications are that there is a visible air of excitement during the OTAs. That same momentum will carry thru camp and into the regular season. It has been a long time since I have been this excited about a Steeler team. Barring serious injury to key players 11-4 or 12-3 is within reach IMO. :tt1

Shawn
06-11-2008, 01:22 PM
Dixon is not really a slash type player...he is a QB first...he can run second. I believe the Steelers drafted him...to groom him to be a back up. But, I think year 2-3 he will prove to be good enough to start for most NFL teams. He has a gun, he throws a very catchable ball...he can throw the deep post...he can place a ball with touch or laser it between defenders. Oh yea...then he can scramble a bit. He is the complete package at QB. We got ourselves a steal folks. The question...what will we do with him? Trade Bait? Back up?

Shawn
06-11-2008, 01:23 PM
PS Dixon scored a 27 on the Wonderlic. The guy is sharp.

RuthlessBurgher
06-11-2008, 01:30 PM
When Dixon first visited the FO I really did'nt believe that he would be drafted by the Steelers. My thinking was right along with everyone else in that...he's a very good athlete, a playmaker. He might make a good slash if the Steelers picked him. Now according to the FO he's going to be a QB all the way. I'm alright with that. He adds much value for a #5 pick. If he develops into the real deal we could be looking at some future high draft picks or at the very least some good insurance should God forbid Ben go down.
I believe the Steelers picked up some momentum with this draft. All indications are that there is a visible air of excitement during the OTAs. That same momentum will carry thru camp and into the regular season. It has been a long time since I have been this excited about a Steeler team. Barring serious injury to key players 11-4 or 12-3 is within reach IMO. :tt1

Planning on skipping the final regular season game, Hoss? J/K :lol:

RuthlessBurgher
06-11-2008, 01:34 PM
PS Dixon scored a 27 on the Wonderlic. The guy is sharp.

Another attribute that separates Dixon from Vince Young, who, by all accounts, seems to have the mental acuity of a granite slab.

Jigawatts
06-11-2008, 01:40 PM
PS Dixon scored a 27 on the Wonderlic. The guy is sharp.

Another attribute that separates Dixon from Vince Young, who, by all accounts, seems to have the mental acuity of a granite slab.

What's acuity mean? I only got a 7 on my wonderlic and am confused. :? :? :D

06-11-2008, 01:50 PM
PS Dixon scored a 27 on the Wonderlic. The guy is sharp.

Another fine point by SMG.

ANd to add what you said above...yes he is more of a passer than he is a running QB. But dont get fooled...he can run. :2c

MeetJoeGreene
06-11-2008, 01:52 PM
PS Dixon scored a 27 on the Wonderlic. The guy is sharp.

Another attribute that separates Dixon from Vince Young, who, by all accounts, seems to have the mental acuity of a granite slab.

What's acuity mean? I only got a 7 on my wonderlic and am confused. :? :? :D
I think the guys over at the Blue Oyster think that U R acuity.

Shawn
06-11-2008, 01:54 PM
PS Dixon scored a 27 on the Wonderlic. The guy is sharp.

Another fine point by SMG.

ANd to add what you said above...yes he is more of a passer than he is a running QB. But dont get fooled...he can run. :2c

Oh ya...he can run. The thing is...he looks to pass first which is a step ahead of most QBs who can scramble.

Jigawatts
06-11-2008, 02:09 PM
PS Dixon scored a 27 on the Wonderlic. The guy is sharp.

Another attribute that separates Dixon from Vince Young, who, by all accounts, seems to have the mental acuity of a granite slab.

What's acuity mean? I only got a 7 on my wonderlic and am confused. :? :? :D
I think the guys over at the Blue Oyster think that U R acuity.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

SteelHoss
06-11-2008, 03:30 PM
Please accept a My Bad for the numbers on my prior post. 11-5...12-4 sounds alot better :lol: Here We Go Steelers...Here We Go... :Boobs :tt2

Jigawatts
06-11-2008, 04:42 PM
Please accept a My Bad for the numbers on my prior post. 11-5...12-4 sounds alot better :lol: Here We Go Steelers...Here We Go... :Boobs :tt2

Steelhoss only got a 6 on his wonderlic. :P

steeld95
06-11-2008, 04:50 PM
Quick question for everyone....Where do you think he would have been drafted if he never got hurt?

Before he got hurt he was easily one of the top 3 qb's in the country.

Shawn
06-11-2008, 05:04 PM
Early second.

AngryAsian
06-11-2008, 07:07 PM
Early to mid second round. His athleticism is noteworthy, but so is his undersized frame. The question would always remain, if he were to put on the necessary weight to be successful in the NFL, would he still have that explosive component that has been the hallmark of collegiate career. We know that he has a cannon, but it seems to me that most teams this year who were in the market for a QB needed one to contribute this year and not be a work in progress.

Shawn
06-11-2008, 07:18 PM
IMO he is better than Flacco....if that tells you anything.

steeld95
06-12-2008, 08:50 AM
IMO he is better than Flacco....if that tells you anything.


Yeah, I agree. I think Flacco is going to be a major bust. How many qb's have come from 1AA to be successful in the NFL? Is their anyone besides McNair? I would be pissed if I was a Ravens fan and we wasted the 17th pick on Flacco...Luckily, I am a Steeler Fan and can laugh at their dumb moves!

Shawn
06-12-2008, 10:17 AM
IMO he is better than Flacco....if that tells you anything.


Yeah, I agree. I think Flacco is going to be a major bust. How many qb's have come from 1AA to be successful in the NFL? Is their anyone besides McNair? I would be pissed if I was a Ravens fan and we wasted the 17th pick on Flacco...Luckily, I am a Steeler Fan and can laugh at their dumb bad word moves!

I mean that is Brownie stupidity. I'm not used to the Ravens making such boneheaded moves.

Oviedo
06-12-2008, 10:20 AM
IMO he is better than Flacco....if that tells you anything.


Yeah, I agree. I think Flacco is going to be a major bust. How many qb's have come from 1AA to be successful in the NFL? Is their anyone besides McNair? I would be pissed if I was a Ravens fan and we wasted the 17th pick on Flacco...Luckily, I am a Steeler Fan and can laugh at their dumb bad word moves!

I mean that is Brownie stupidity. I'm not used to the Ravens making such boneheaded moves.

I think they are hoping the got a Big Ben type player in terms of size and smaller college success. Ben's success in college was IMO more consistent than Flacco's. The Ravens are in for several down years. :ratsuck

Shawn
06-12-2008, 10:23 AM
IMO he is better than Flacco....if that tells you anything.


Yeah, I agree. I think Flacco is going to be a major bust. How many qb's have come from 1AA to be successful in the NFL? Is their anyone besides McNair? I would be pissed if I was a Ravens fan and we wasted the 17th pick on Flacco...Luckily, I am a Steeler Fan and can laugh at their dumb bad word moves!

I mean that is Brownie stupidity. I'm not used to the Ravens making such boneheaded moves.

I think they are hoping the got a Big Ben type player in terms of size and smaller college success. Ben's success in college was IMO more consistent than Flacco's. The Ravens are in for several down years. :ratsuck

Troy Smith is a very good QB. I'm not sure why they panicked to be honest. Flacco will be a monumental bust...Smith can be a very good QB in the pros. The guy has always been discounted and disrespected. Smith feeds off of that stuff much like Ward. Smith scares me...Flacco not so much. Smith is a winner...Flacco is a guy who couldn't cut it in Division 1A.

AngryAsian
06-12-2008, 10:32 AM
Troy Smith is a very good QB. I'm not sure why they panicked to be honest. Flacco will be a monumental bust...Smith can be a very good QB in the pros. The guy has always been discounted and disrespected. Smith feeds off of that stuff much like Ward. Smith scares me...Flacco not so much. Smith is a winner...Flacco is a guy who couldn't cut it in Division 1A.


College is a tad different my friend. I just don't see Smith making it in the NFL. Could be wrong, I often am if you ask my wife, but he doesn't have the stature to stand behind an augmented NFL line and have enough field of vision to even see his receivers. JMHO.

Shawn
06-12-2008, 10:41 AM
He is not 6 foot 4 but he is tall enough. Size will not keep Smith from being a good QB.

AngryAsian
06-12-2008, 10:51 AM
He is not 6 foot 4 but he is tall enough. Size will not keep Smith from being a good QB.



Maybe from both of our vantage points (we're both really tall. :lol: ) he might seem 6'4" and he surely played like a giant in college, but the guy is severely undersized for an NFL QB.

6'0" 225 lbs

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... itTr02.htm (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitTr02.htm)

http://www.nfl.com/players/troysmith/pr ... =SMI764846 (http://www.nfl.com/players/troysmith/profile?id=SMI764846)

SteelerOfDeVille
06-16-2008, 04:56 PM
You and me both shawn. Dixon isnt anything like a Vince Young. This kid can actually throw the football. There will be a lot of suprized Steelers fans when they see this kid play.

:stirpot
thing is... even if you compare him to Vince, that's still worth a 5th or 6th rounder. After all, Vince was a 1st rounder. :P

(and this is coming from a guy who wanted Roy Schuening).

JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
06-17-2008, 09:16 AM
I think he would have been a late 1st - Early 2nd if his numbers stayed consistent. I find it easy to believe he would have been, at worst, the 3rd QB off the board.
Numbers could have looked like this:
PASSING 229/338 2,847 68% 27 TDs / 5 INTs 160+ rating
RUSHING 139/778 5.6 AVG 12 TDs

8-1 before he finally went down at Arizona. Might have finished 11-1 or 10-2. Top 5 team. I don't know if they would have played for the National Title with the loss to Cal...Who knows! The numbers above don't include the bowl game.
PASSING 248/366 3,084 68% 30 TDs / 5 INTs 160+ rating
RUSHING 150/843 5.6 AVG 13 TDs

Those numbers combined with a healthy combine I think would make him a top 3 QB. He would have posted a high 4.4 forty and displayed the strongest arm in the class. The only negatives being discussed would be the Cal game and his "Lanky" frame. Still think the production numbers would make him a top 3. It is all "crystal ball" stuff but if the guy stays healthy and plays for the National Title...He might be a Falcon!

AngryAsian
06-17-2008, 10:11 AM
Reading this article after March Madness Basketball and prior to the draft, I thought to myself... what a character guy... a Steeler kind of guy. We are really fortunate to have him.



Dennis, Anyone?
With a twist of the knee, Dennis Dixon's Heisman Trophy and national title hopes vanished. Now, after five months of high-tech rehab, the Oregon QB is holding tight to his NFL dreams
Posted: Friday April 11, 2008


The training facility at the University of Oregon looks like the spa at a five-star boutique hotel, if all the guests were between 18 and 23 and the bulk of them weighed more than 300 pounds. The floors are finished oak, the walls smoked glass, the lighting soothingly dim. The 15,000-square-foot complex includes 25 stainless steel massage tables, a pharmacy lit with green neon and examination rooms for a dentist and an ophthalmologist. So many flat-screen televisions hang from the walls that SportsCenter is within constant sight, even during eye exams.

The only screen not tuned to SportsCenter, in fact, is the one broadcasting Dennis Dixon's lower half. It is a Tuesday in mid-March, and Dixon is running on one of three underwater treadmills, each of which is equipped with a pair of submerged cameras. As Dixon runs, he can watch his legs churn on the screen in front of him. Even more remarkable, the NFL can watch too. Tony Fisher, an intern in the football office, stands about five feet from Dixon, recording his every move with a Sony Handycam. Fisher then edits the footage and posts it to Dixon's personal website, dennisdixon10.com, so that NFL coaches, scouts and general managers can monitor the progress of his surgically repaired left knee.

This is rehab, Oregon style, where even a torn ACL can seem glamorous. The Ducks already have more than 300 uniform combinations, lockers with Internet ports and a training facility featured in Interior Design, all thanks to Nike founder and Oregon überbooster Phil Knight. For five months Oregon has deployed its considerable resources to another project: reconstructing the quarterback who was once the nation's best and preparing him for the NFL draft on April 26-27. In a field crowded with intriguing but relatively unknown QB prospects, Dixon is the true wild card -- a known superstar who became a forgotten man.

The week of Nov. 4 started with big plans. Hotel representatives from New Orleans were calling the Oregon football program to get a room count for the national championship game. The school was launching a website for Dixon's Heisman Trophy campaign. None of it was premature. The Ducks were 8-1 and second in the nation, with three winnable games remaining. Dixon, their 6' 4", 205-pound senior quarterback, was the most dynamic dual threat west of Tim Tebow, piling up 230.4 yards passing and 61.0 rushing per game. He was making a serious move up the draft charts.

There was just one kink in the plans. In the fourth quarter of a 35-23 victory over Arizona State on Nov. 3, Dixon ran an option right, kept the ball for an 11-yard gain and was tackled around the legs. He felt his left knee twist but never heard a pop. After a few seconds of screaming, he jumped up and jogged gingerly to the sideline. The crowd at Autzen Stadium let out a relieved roar. Trainers examined the knee and said it was stable. Dixon wanted to go back in, but with the Ducks ahead by 19 the coaches wouldn't let him. Precautionary reasons, they said.

An MRI taken the next day revealed that Dixon's left ACL was three-quarters torn. "I was shocked," said Oregon head trainer Kevin Steil. Dixon could still run and cut. The swelling was minimal. Dixon didn't understand why he didn't show more symptoms. Steil consulted three doctors, who presented Dixon with two options: He could have surgery immediately, or he could postpone it and try to play on the knee. Coach Mike Bellotti made his position clear to the QB: "It's not in your best interest to play for us anymore."

For a young football star, it seemed the ultimate dilemma: Give up a shot at the Heisman and a national championship, or suit up and jeopardize your future draft status. Four months later, over dinner in Eugene, Dixon thought back on his decision to keep playing and said, "It really wasn't so hard."

Practicing with the injury was easy; keeping it a secret was not. Outside of coaches, trainers and doctors, no one knew the results of Dixon's MRI. He did not tell his teammates, his roommates, even his father. "I didn't want anybody to panic," he says.

On Nov. 15, Oregon played a Thursday night game at Arizona, a nationally televised showcase for Dixon and the Ducks. Before the kickoff Dennis Dixon Sr. visited his son in the locker room and found him stretched out on a massage table. "Dad, I've been keeping something from you," Dixon said. His father laughed. "No you haven't," he said. "I could tell you were hurt."

Trainers fitted Dixon for a knee brace, and coaches devised a game plan to keep him in the pocket as much as possible. "We were holding our breath," said trainer Kim Terrell. On the game's first series Dixon scrapped the plan and ran 39 yards for a touchdown. The medical staff exhaled. But later in the first quarter Dixon faked a handoff, rolled left and planted his left foot in the turf. The foot stuck. The knee buckled. He went down without being touched. The ACL was completely shot. "It was like someone punched you in the stomach," said James Harris, Oregon's director of sports nutrition. "And as soon as you started to breathe, someone punched you in the stomach again."

The Heisman was gone. So was the national title. Dixon would not play another down for Oregon; the Ducks lost to Arizona and then dropped their final two regular-season games. Dennis's father rushed from the stands to the field, and when he got there, his son's first words were, "I don't regret a thing." As Terrell helped Dixon off the field, he asked her, "Did you see my touchdown?" Then: "When do we start rehab?"

It started that night. Dixon's mother, Jueretta, had died of breast cancer the summer after his senior year at San Leandro (Calif.) High, and Dennis's father didn't know if his son would be able to get on a plane for Eugene. Sitting in an otherwise silent visitors' locker room at Arizona, he reminded Dennis, "This can't be worse than losing your mom." With that, Dixon walked back onto the field and put on a headset, Oregon's new assistant quarterbacks coach.

Because he wanted to travel with the team, Dixon didn't have surgery until Dec. 15. Two days later he was walking without crutches. After five days he was riding a bike. In two weeks he was throwing, and a month after that, he was running. Day after day, as Dixon lay on a massage table in the training center, Terrell tested the knee's range of motion and Dixon watched the myriad televisions tuned to ESPN. The draftniks didn't mention him as they talked about other quarterbacks -- Matt Ryan, Brian Brohm, Chad Henne -- whom he had outplayed for 2 1/2 months.

Agent pitches to potential draftees are often superficial, all about dropping names and promises. Jeff Sperbeck of Octagon went to Dixon in early January with a concrete proposal. He wanted to turn Dixon's dormant Heisman website into a platform to broadcast his rehab. The site would rebuild Dixon's image as trainers rebuilt his knee. He wouldn't be ready to work out in February at the NFL combine or in March on Oregon's pro day, but the Internet could help persuade skeptical NFL general managers that Dixon was still worth drafting.

The plan appealed to Dixon's taste for transparency. "Besides," he says, "I don't mind the spotlight." Oregon, with its sophisticated approach to marketing and technology, offered the perfect backdrop. Terrell would explain Dixon's regimen. Offensive coordinator Chip Kelly would put him through drills and film study. Fisher would record his progress and edit, with Sperbeck's help. Kyle Wiest, an assistant in the football office, would update the site. Says Fisher, "Nobody had done anything like it."


http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2008/writers/the_bonus/04/11/dixon/p1_dixon2.jpg


Dixon, who graduated last June with a sociology degree and a 3.27 GPA, has full access to the training center. When he arrives daily at 9 a.m., Harris has a creatine shake waiting for him. When he leaves, as late as 5 p.m., Harris has another shake ready -- chocolate milk with glutamine and whey protein. "We would do this for any of our former players," says director of football operations Jeff Hawkins. "But Dennis is special. We owe it to him."

Before the website's launch in mid-February, Sperbeck e-mailed the link to more than 100 NFL general managers, personnel directors and coaches. Oakland Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp shot back a reply: "I wish everyone had this." Nevertheless, when Dixon attended the combine later that month to participate in interviews, some G.M.'s were surprised that he wasn't on crutches and weren't aware he had begun throwing. "Look at my site," Dixon pleaded. "Just look at it."
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When Fisher started filming workouts in mid-February, Dixon could barely drop back. By mid-March he was shuffling from side to side in the pocket, lofting 60-yard fly patterns to former Ducks teammates Jordan Kent (now with the Seahawks) and Cameron Colvin and firing 15-yard slants to roommate Leon Murry. After one of Dixon's passes hit Murry in the ribs, the receiver collapsed in a heap, gasping, "My lungs!"

Dixon played outfield in the Atlanta Braves system last summer and was a finalist last fall for the Draddy Trophy, given to the top scholar in college football. In other words, he has options outside of football. But no QB in this draft has longer arms (36.25 inches) or bigger hands (9.75-inch span) or a faster 40 time (4.49 seconds last year at Oregon). When Dixon was a junior, Bellotti told him he was a better prospect than Vince Young. And that was before Dixon completed 67.7% of his passes in 2007, with 20 touchdowns and just four interceptions. Mike Mayock, the NFL Network's draft expert, believes Dixon is a better passer than Young but not as explosive a runner. He projects Dixon as a fourth-round pick. Asked where Dixon would have been drafted if he hadn't been injured, Mayock said, "Who knows?"

Last Thursday, when Dixon walked to the 50-yard line at Oregon's indoor practice facility, 10 NFL scouts stood in a line, beneath a banner that read blitz this. They had come to witness the rebirth of Dennis Dixon.

Most potential draft picks have multiple opportunities to impress. For Dixon, this was the Senior Bowl, the combine and pro day rolled into one -- the first time he was throwing for an audience since that Arizona game. Fisher stood with the scouts, his Handycam rolling. The sideline was packed with people who'd hastened Dixon's recovery -- doctors, trainers, coaches, staffers and, of course, his father. No one spoke above a whisper.

Dixon threw every kind of pass, even the Hail Mary. He missed a few. He favored his knee a little. But at the end Jeff Horton, a St. Louis Rams offensive assistant, was shaking his head in admiration. "This guy had surgery three-and-a-half months ago, and you see him here today -- his arm strength, his mobility," said Horton. "I think he helped himself a lot."

A few scouts playfully asked Oregon coaches not to send video of the workout to other teams. But Fisher was already hustling up to his office with his Handycam, ready to download and edit the new footage. By nightfall it was online.

NKySteeler
06-17-2008, 10:16 AM
I think Dixon will not be on the active roster this season.... I like the pick, but he won't be ready to effectively play yet, IMO.

... Want to see a great clip of him?... Over on the "Ask Bruce Davis" thread I posted a highlight vid of Davis... One of the plays was against Dixon... Davis ended up with his (Dixons') shoe!... :wink:

Shawn
06-17-2008, 11:03 AM
Smart, strong character, fast, terrific arm, poised, can make all the throws...
Dixon is a winner in every sense of the word. He is our most underrated pick.
I look foward to seeing this guy develop.

MeetJoeGreene
06-17-2008, 11:20 AM
Smart, strong character, fast, terrific arm, poised, can make all the throws...
Dixon is a winner in every sense of the word. He is our most underrated pick.
I look foward to seeing this guy develop.

I will ask this again. How is this guy the steal of the draft?

I would be excited if we didn't have Ben - that Dixon could be the QB of the future.

But the most he can be is a backup QB -- and that is a good thing but not enough for me to go apesheet over.

What kind of realistic trade value could we get in a couple of years? I mean, the only way we could get something is if he is playing and excelling -- and that means both Ben and Batch are out.

Don't get me wrong, I kind of like the pick -- I'm just not feeling the excuberance that you all are.

AngryAsian
06-17-2008, 11:51 AM
Smart, strong character, fast, terrific arm, poised, can make all the throws...
Dixon is a winner in every sense of the word. He is our most underrated pick.
I look foward to seeing this guy develop.

I will ask this again. How is this guy the steal of the draft?

I would be excited if we didn't have Ben - that Dixon could be the QB of the future.

But the most he can be is a backup QB -- and that is a good thing but not enough for me to go apesheet over.

What kind of realistic trade value could we get in a couple of years? I mean, the only way we could get something is if he is playing and excelling -- and that means both Ben and Batch are out.

Don't get me wrong, I kind of like the pick -- I'm just not feeling the excuberance that you all are.


He could be our Matt Schaub.

SteelerOfDeVille
06-17-2008, 12:01 PM
Smart, strong character, fast, terrific arm, poised, can make all the throws...
Dixon is a winner in every sense of the word. He is our most underrated pick.
I look foward to seeing this guy develop.

I will ask this again. How is this guy the steal of the draft?

I would be excited if we didn't have Ben - that Dixon could be the QB of the future.

But the most he can be is a backup QB -- and that is a good thing but not enough for me to go apesheet over.

What kind of realistic trade value could we get in a couple of years? I mean, the only way we could get something is if he is playing and excelling -- and that means both Ben and Batch are out.

Don't get me wrong, I kind of like the pick -- I'm just not feeling the excuberance that you all are.
Ditto... Granted, Batch is aging and we'll need an eventual replacement... but, I'm not sure that Dixon will be ready by the time Batch's contract is up.

And in the games I saw, Dixon seemed streaky with his passing. I know, I know... llots of QBs can be streaky.

MeetJoeGreene
06-17-2008, 12:10 PM
Smart, strong character, fast, terrific arm, poised, can make all the throws...
Dixon is a winner in every sense of the word. He is our most underrated pick.
I look foward to seeing this guy develop.

I will ask this again. How is this guy the steal of the draft?

I would be excited if we didn't have Ben - that Dixon could be the QB of the future.

But the most he can be is a backup QB -- and that is a good thing but not enough for me to go apesheet over.

What kind of realistic trade value could we get in a couple of years? I mean, the only way we could get something is if he is playing and excelling -- and that means both Ben and Batch are out.

Don't get me wrong, I kind of like the pick -- I'm just not feeling the excuberance that you all are.


He could be our Matt Schaub.

But to be our Schaub, wouldn't he have to get semi-significant playing time?

And that would mean Ben/Batch would both be out/unavailable.

I just don't see how that happens.

Unless Dan Snyder gets a woody for him and then anything is possible.

RuthlessBurgher
06-17-2008, 12:23 PM
Smart, strong character, fast, terrific arm, poised, can make all the throws...
Dixon is a winner in every sense of the word. He is our most underrated pick.
I look foward to seeing this guy develop.

I will ask this again. How is this guy the steal of the draft?

I would be excited if we didn't have Ben - that Dixon could be the QB of the future.

But the most he can be is a backup QB -- and that is a good thing but not enough for me to go apesheet over.

What kind of realistic trade value could we get in a couple of years? I mean, the only way we could get something is if he is playing and excelling -- and that means both Ben and Batch are out.

Don't get me wrong, I kind of like the pick -- I'm just not feeling the excuberance that you all are.


He could be our Matt Schaub.

But to be our Schaub, wouldn't he have to get semi-significant playing time?

And that would mean Ben/Batch would both be out/unavailable.

I just don't see how that happens.

Unless Dan Snyder gets a woody for him and then anything is possible.

Batch may not be here much longer (I believe this is the last year of his contract). Being a Pittsburgh kid, he is likely to give the team a hometown discount to stay, but that is not necessarily a guarantee. Plus, he'll be 34 after this season. Even if they extend Charlie for another year or two, Dixon could be the primary backup before his rookie deal is up (and with Ben's reckless abandon playing style coupled with the weaknesses along the o-line, it is not out of the realm of possibility that he could miss extended time due to injury...knock on wood). I think the Falcons traded Schaub after tagging him with the highest RFA tender (but traded him for two 2nd round picks and a swap of picks in the first #10 for #8 overall instead). At that point, if this kid shows promise, he might be worth more as a solid backup option in case Ben goes down, rather than as trade bait. We'll see.

AngryAsian
06-17-2008, 12:33 PM
Smart, strong character, fast, terrific arm, poised, can make all the throws...
Dixon is a winner in every sense of the word. He is our most underrated pick.
I look foward to seeing this guy develop.

I will ask this again. How is this guy the steal of the draft?

I would be excited if we didn't have Ben - that Dixon could be the QB of the future.

But the most he can be is a backup QB -- and that is a good thing but not enough for me to go apesheet over.

What kind of realistic trade value could we get in a couple of years? I mean, the only way we could get something is if he is playing and excelling -- and that means both Ben and Batch are out.

Don't get me wrong, I kind of like the pick -- I'm just not feeling the excuberance that you all are.


He could be our Matt Schaub.

But to be our Schaub, wouldn't he have to get semi-significant playing time?

And that would mean Ben/Batch would both be out/unavailable.

I just don't see how that happens.

Unless Dan Snyder gets a woody for him and then anything is possible.

Batch may not be here much longer (I believe this is the last year of his contract). Being a Pittsburgh kid, he is likely to give the team a hometown discount to stay, but that is not necessarily a guarantee. Plus, he'll be 34 after this season. Even if they extend Charlie for another year or two, Dixon could be the primary backup before his rookie deal is up (and with Ben's reckless abandon playing style coupled with the weaknesses along the o-line, it is not out of the realm of possibility that he could miss extended time due to injury...knock on wood). I think the Falcons traded Schaub after tagging him with the highest RFA tender (but traded him for two 2nd round picks and a swap of picks in the first #10 for #8 overall instead). At that point, if this kid shows promise, he might be worth more as a solid backup option in case Ben goes down, rather than as trade bait. We'll see.


If we see the type of maturity and development that Dixon is suspected to be able to carry, then I'd feel a little bit more secure if (hope never happens) Ben were to go down. Don't get me wrong, Charlie has proven time and again he's a very competent number 2, but if this offense is going to reach the potential it is billed to possibly have, I'd rather have Dixon at number 2... not only for the longevity but for the arm strength as well.

Shawn
06-17-2008, 12:51 PM
Smart, strong character, fast, terrific arm, poised, can make all the throws...
Dixon is a winner in every sense of the word. He is our most underrated pick.
I look foward to seeing this guy develop.

I will ask this again. How is this guy the steal of the draft?

I would be excited if we didn't have Ben - that Dixon could be the QB of the future.

But the most he can be is a backup QB -- and that is a good thing but not enough for me to go apesheet over.

What kind of realistic trade value could we get in a couple of years? I mean, the only way we could get something is if he is playing and excelling -- and that means both Ben and Batch are out.

Don't get me wrong, I kind of like the pick -- I'm just not feeling the excuberance that you all are.

And I addressed your statement before. When you get a guy capable of being a quality starter at QB in the 5th round...thats a steal...no matter if he is a back up, or a starter. I don't know what the future might bring...but lets say this if Ben decides to ride his bike without a helmet again...we will all be glad that a guy like Dixon is the back up.

Lets also remember that if Dixon proves to be as good as I believe him to be...teams would give their right arm in a trade for him.

NKySteeler
06-17-2008, 01:49 PM
Shawn, I really do hope you are correct. But I guess I just don't see as much in his qb talents as you do.... I saw countless Oregon games (being a Pac-10 weenie that I am), and just didn't see that much to get excited about... Yes, he was the resounding force that drove that team. Yes, he has a better than above-average arm... But so did Akili Smith when he was there... The factor that made him (Dixon) effective was his feet. He was a serious big-time scrambler. Almost "Vick-esque"... Yea, he can throw, but that isn't what lead to his success against opposing defenses.

...Will his re-hab from surgery be complete enough for him to make the active roster this season? Personally, I doubt it... That means Batch will be here hopefully into '09, because Dixon will effectively be a rookie "playing-time-wise" in that season... At that point, I'd love to see him as the back-up... But as many folks have said, in that role as #2, you really don't want him on the field because that means Ben is not.

....Let's take this further... Just to include these stats...
He had 20 TDs' and 4 picks in '07. But in '06 he had 12 TDs' and 14 picks.... He rushed for 9 TDs' and 583 yards in '07. And in '06 rushed for 2 TDs' and 442 yards...

Shawn
06-17-2008, 02:18 PM
You and I see his scrambling ability a bit differently. I think he shows tremendous
poise in the pocket. He looks to throw first, run second. I mean the man averaged about 240 yards a game passing if I remember correctly. Yes, he can run but thats a very good thing.

Ozey74
06-17-2008, 03:02 PM
I'm looking foward to seeing this guy get plenty of preseason action. Watching Batch got old because we knew what he brought to the table & Brian Saint Pierre was never very impressive.

RuthlessBurgher
06-17-2008, 03:31 PM
I'm looking foward to seeing this guy get plenty of preseason action. Watching Batch got old because we knew what he brought to the table & Brian Saint Pierre was never very impressive.

In the past, you didn't feel like you were getting your money's worth out of paying for pre-season tickets, simply because the starters would only play for so long. This year, however, I won't be as interested in the first half of pre-season games with Ben throwing to Hines and handing off to Willie as I will be in watching the second half of pre-season games with Dixon throwing to Sweed and handing off to Mendenhall. :tt1 :Steel :tt2

Shawn
06-17-2008, 06:34 PM
I'm looking foward to seeing this guy get plenty of preseason action. Watching Batch got old because we knew what he brought to the table & Brian Saint Pierre was never very impressive.

In the past, you didn't feel like you were getting your money's worth out of paying for pre-season tickets, simply because the starters would only play for so long. This year, however, I won't be as interested in the first half of pre-season games with Ben throwing to Hines and handing off to Willie as I will be in watching the second half of pre-season games with Dixon throwing to Sweed and handing off to Mendenhall. :tt1 :Steel :tt2

$$$

Ozey74
06-17-2008, 07:01 PM
I'm looking foward to seeing this guy get plenty of preseason action. Watching Batch got old because we knew what he brought to the table & Brian Saint Pierre was never very impressive.

In the past, you didn't feel like you were getting your money's worth out of paying for pre-season tickets, simply because the starters would only play for so long. This year, however, I won't be as interested in the first half of pre-season games with Ben throwing to Hines and handing off to Willie as I will be in watching the second half of pre-season games with Dixon throwing to Sweed and handing off to Mendenhall. :tt1 :Steel :tt2

$$$

These pre-season games might be the most exciting because of all our prospects. We got alot of talent this past draft!!!! I heard Tony Hill today on ESPN 1250 while at work. The guy has alot of personality & if he is healthy he could be a gem.

johnstownsteel
06-22-2008, 05:03 PM
Please accept a My Bad for the numbers on my prior post. 11-5...12-4 sounds alot better :lol: Here We Go Steelers...Here We Go... :Boobs :tt2

Steelhoss only got a 6 on his wonderlic. :Por in steelhoss math....a 5.

papillon
06-24-2008, 12:07 AM
Smart, strong character, fast, terrific arm, poised, can make all the throws...
Dixon is a winner in every sense of the word. He is our most underrated pick.
I look foward to seeing this guy develop.

I will ask this again. How is this guy the steal of the draft?

I would be excited if we didn't have Ben - that Dixon could be the QB of the future.

But the most he can be is a backup QB -- and that is a good thing but not enough for me to go apesheet over.

What kind of realistic trade value could we get in a couple of years? I mean, the only way we could get something is if he is playing and excelling -- and that means both Ben and Batch are out.

Don't get me wrong, I kind of like the pick -- I'm just not feeling the excuberance that you all are.


He could be our Matt Schaub.

But to be our Schaub, wouldn't he have to get semi-significant playing time?

And that would mean Ben/Batch would both be out/unavailable.

I just don't see how that happens.

Unless Dan Snyder gets a woody for him and then anything is possible.

You say that as if it could never happen... :shock: :tt2

Pappy